Tuesday, March 2, 2010

True Love?


Romeo and Juliet kiss and fall in love within seconds of first meeting each other. Do you think their affection is true love or is it just infatuation? Do you agree with the Friar when he says, “Young men’s love then lies not truly in their hearts but in their eyes?” In general, is love at first sight really possible? Can a person truly be in love with someone that they don’t even know?

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  1. You cannot fall in love with someone right away. When Romeo and Juliet meet the only reason Romeo loves her is because she's pretty. There is nothing further, he's never even heard of her let alone talked to her before. Friar is correct when he says "Young men's love then lies...in their eyes". Because that's all that matters to Romeo. Then Juliet is so desperate to escape from her family that she is nice to him and it doesn't hurt that he just happens to be good looking also. You can see someone and want to get to know them and really like their looks or their persona, but true love at first sight (falling in love with all of someone) - isn't possible.

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    1. I totally agree with you. I think that Juliet really did want to escape her family, especially so she would not marry Paris. I do think they liked each other but I do not think that they actually fell in love.

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    1. I agree with you and think that Romeo and Juliet's "love" for each other was very much dictated by their situation. I think that, if Juliet was not being pressured to marry Paris, she could have had more time to think if she really loved Romeo, and not just see him as an escape from marrying Paris. Also, Romeo, as you said, based all of his love for Juliet on looks and her words. It takes more than that to know you love someone.

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  3. i think he was just really happy to see a lady that had all her teeth and didnt have the plague but he didnt really know her he just liked her looks. he didnt know what she was really like she couldve been a secret spy sent to kill him😳😳

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  4. I do not think that Romeo and Juliet were actually in love. I think that they only fell in love with each other looks. If Juliet wasn't as beautiful as she was then Romeo would not want to talk to her. I do agree with the Friar because they weren't actually in love with each other they were in love with each others looks. I don't think that you can fall in love with someone only based off of looks.

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    1. I agree with this but I also believe that they genuinely cared about each other but didn't have enough time to build they're relationship.

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    2. We have almost the same opinion. I agree with you because they fell in love based on just their looks and not on their personality. True love isn't really love because the two people don't take anytime to get to know the other person, they just think their in love because the other person is good looking.

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  5. I believe that you can't fall in love with someone at first sight, because you don't know if the person's personality matches their body. If you're only thinking short term, which romeo was, then It doesn't matter as much. However, that isn't true love. Until you actually are close to said person, you won't truly "Love" them

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    1. Yeah I see what you are saying and I agree but I also think that Romeo wasn't looking for short term I think he liked Juliet but they Purely liked each other because of there looks but I don't think he was looking for short term or else he would not have married Juliet.

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  6. I think agreeing with all of you that romeo and Juliet were only in love based on their looks. Because I don't think there is a very high chance of falling in love with someone at first sight because you are only seeing their looks not who they really are. And that is what you should be focusing on. I think Romeo especially fell in love with Juliet because he was already heart broken and was looking for something to take his mind off of his broken heart. And Juliet was just doing her own thing but got corrupted by Romeo's poetic words. And no I do not think someone can be in love with a person they don't know because it is proven that most people like/need the personality portion of a person to actually be in love with them. And going off bodies post I agree that you wont truly love them you mind will make you think that you do. Its only a mind trick making you think that there is a story and a past making you fall in love.

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    1. I agree with what you stated about how Romeo was heart broken and when he found someone who was pretty like Juliet he thought he was in love. Juliet fell into his trap of poetic words and she probably has never loved someone before so she thought she was also in love with Romeo. Romeo and Juliet only known each other for a couple of days so the lust was still there when they died for each other.

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  7. I don't believe that you can fall in love at first sight because honestly, you are just falling in love with their looks, not anything else. I think that it takes time to fall in love and that if it happens instantly, its not really true love. I agree with the Friar because if they weren't as beautiful/pretty, then they wouldn't have been attracted to each other.

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    1. I agree with you entirely, I think that because they were both upper class, good looking people, they both "fell in love with each other" but really only fell in love with each other's appearance. Their love was just attraction

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    2. I agree with you they would have never started talking to each other if they both weren't attractive. The way they "fell in love" was not them actually falling in love but they fell in love on what was on the outside and not what was on the inside

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  9. I think the Friar is right that Romeo only "loved" Juliet because of her looks. I also believe the fact that Romeo was so upset about Rosaline made him even more excited when this girl gave him attention so easily. Even though at the time they believed beauty was a reward from God for being a good person does not mean they are your soul mate. You could be the best person on earth and still not relate to everyone.

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  10. I do not think love at first sight is actually possible. Being in love with someone includes knowing who they are and what they stand for and loving them despite their views. You can find someone attractive or even good looking maybe. As soon as Romeo sees Juliet he claims that she is the most beautiful girl he’s ever seen and that no one comes above her. They both fall for each other on drive other than love. Whether the stars aligned that night or not, the two kids are not in love with each other. They might have a crush on the other, but there is no love. I also think that real love comes with maturity. Romeo and Juliet aren't old enough to gain those experiences of love that comes with age. So no, love at first sight is a myth.

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    1. I agree with you completely because they are so young that they are not mature enough to experience the kind of love that they think that they have. They were in love with each others looks so they were not truly in love with each other.

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    2. I completely agree with you, I understand that Romeo was in the moment. But he doesn't really know that Juliet is the most beautiful girl in the world because he hasn't seen every girl in the world. Like they might feel a connection, but they don't know if that connection would ever last. And yes they are still young they have so many things to still discover about them selves and the world so how would they even know what true love is yet at such a young age.

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    3. I thought it was really smart how you brought up maturity, i hadn't really thought about it before. With maturity comes patience, and these kids as young as they are, they don't know patience that well. You can see with Romeo and Rosaline. He is frustrated because she doesn't give him attention right away, and quickly drops her as soon as he sees Juliet. Romeo isn't ready for a long lasting relationship, with meaningful love, because as soon as he gets bored, hes out.

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    4. I agree with you completely that they are immature, and only are searching for people with good looks. I also dont believe in love at first sight, as you need to get to know someone to actually fall in love with them.

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  11. I believe that it is possible to fall in love at first sight in certain situations such as a mother seeing her newborn child or when you see your new puppy for the first time but in Romeo and Juliet's situation romeo was only motivated by Juliet looks and through out the whole play never really got to know Juliet

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    1. I totally agree with you. I do not think that humans can fall in love at first sight but seeing your puppy, or a mothers first born I do think you can fall in love with.

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    2. I definitely agree with you. I do think that there are certain situations where you can fall in love at first sight/touch. Like you said every mother just falls in love with their child once they hold it against there body, you can just feel a connection. Although people can connect fast it's because they've talked and realized there personalities and compatible.

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    3. Hey hanna, I agree although I think it is different kinds of love. Romantic love and motherly love are two WAY different things. In the situation we are looking at with Romeo and Juliet, it isn't as possible. Though I do agree that in some cases, it can be possible.

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  12. I agree with Hannas comment, I think a certain type of love is love at first sight like when you have a child. But I have heard some stories of love where they genuinely do believe it was love at first sight. I think everyone's love story is different and everyones way of loving and showing that love is different. You can put a label on love.

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  13. I think you can "fall in love" at first sight, because you can quickly find that you like being around them by indirectly noticing some of their traits or characteristics. You don't really notice them, you kind of just "see" it in them and how they act. It doesn't have to be because of their appearance when falling in love at sight

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    1. I kind of agree. The presence of someone can be powerful and you can fall in love just by enjoying being around them, not just because of appearance.

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    2. I respectfully don't agree. I see where you are going but your purely basing it off of looks because not many people pay attention to others traits when they think it is "love at first sight", but I get what you are saying.

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    3. I disagree. I think that you can fall in love with a person's physical appearance and characteristics, but it's hard to understand what a person's opinions, ideas, and beliefs are by just looking at them. Also, research shows that you're more likely to experience 'love at first sight' with someone with a beautiful appearance, and I think that that is what Romeo fell in love with when he met Juliet.

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    4. I dont entirely agree with you, as you need to get to know someone to fall in love. However, you can be attracted to someone at first sight.

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  14. I think falling in love at first sight depends on what your personal objectives are for love and what you define as actual love. If you think love means genuinely knowing and appreciating someone's personality, it's probably pretty unlikely to have love at first sight. But if you take it love at first sight by the literal meaning, you can see someone, like their appearance and seem to love them right away. Other than love depending on the person, it is important to distinguish the difference between love and attraction. Attraction: the action or power of evoking interest, pleasure, or liking for someone or something.
    Love: an intense feeling of deep affection
    These different definitions show that many people who think they have love at first sight might just be really attracted to someone and think they really love them but don't quite have the intense feeling of love.

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    1. I completely agree with you. I think that people get both attraction and love mixed up. I also agree with what you said about how it depends on what your personal objectives are for love. Just because you like the way someone looks does not mean you are in love with them, but nothing more than attracted to them.

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    2. That is a valid point; the definition of love is subjective and can differ based on the person.
      There are many types of love that we experience, and in general love is quite a broad term. There is eros (sexual, romantic love), mania (infatuation/obsession), philia (love for friends), storge (love for family), pragma (enduring love), and ludus (playful, light-hearted love) to name just few. For many, eros may come to mind first when hearing the word love, or maybe pragma. Depending on the context,the meaning of love can be implied.
      In terms of the love Romeo and Juliet felt for each other, there are many plausible answers. You could argue it was solely eros, like in Act I, Scene 5, lines 42 - 51 when Romeo describes Juliet, only considering how attractive she is. In Act I, Scene 5, lines 93-110, Romeo and Juliet have a brief conversation before sharing their first kiss, only minutes after meeting one another. This shows how they are attracted to each other's appearance and desire a physical relationship (example of their lust). It could also can be argued that their love is ludus, or playful, as they only experience the honeymoon phase of romance and don't spend much time together before... But it can also be argued that their love evolved into a more serious, deeper love like pragma (both would rather kill themselves than live without the other, and they eventually did - so they must have had fairly strong feelings).

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    3. I agree with you that people might think they are in love because they feel very attracted to that person but I think that in order to truly be in love with a person you have to get to know them and see what you have in common what you don't what are there core beliefs.

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  15. I don't think you can fall in love at first sight. I think you can think they are really attractive and want to get to know each other more, but you can't be in love. I think that Romeo and Juliet fell in love with the idea of being with each other, not really being in love with each other. I do think you can fall in love quickly, but not at first glance. Like when you are in love and want to spend the rest of your life with someone that's because you've gotten to know them. You fell in love with their personality, beliefs, and morals not just there looks.

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    2. I see what you're saying. Two people meet eachother, and kind of assess suitability, kind of like a built in mating mechanism. But like I said before, I think you can "fall in love" at sight. You can find you enjoy being around them by indirectly noticing their traits or characteristics. You don't know you notice them, you just see it in how they act. A nice friendly and open vibe. It doesn't have to be because of their appearance.

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    3. I agree with you, Romeo and Juliet never fell in love really but they liked the idea of falling in love with each other. I agree you do need to get to know the persons beliefs, and there personality befre you can be truly in love.

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    4. I agree, you can fall for someones looks, but you cannot fall in love with them at one glance. You worded this very well.

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  16. I don't think that Romeo and Juliet were truly in love at first. Romeo had just been rejected by Rosaline when he went to the party, and he was desperate for love. I think that Romeo just wanted somebody to love him the way he had loved Rosaline. When he saw Juliet at the party, he fell in love with her beautiful appearance, rather than her personality (Act 1, Scene 1, Lines 219-228). I don't think that you can fall in love with a stranger without getting to know them first.Throughout the play I think that they began to understand each other's personalities more, and that's when they truly fell in love: when they loved each other's appearance and inner selves.

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    1. I agree with you Romeo was in a very desperate time because Rosalie would not sleep with him so when he saw Juliet and how beautiful she was, he went up to her and Juliet gave Romeo the vibe that he was looking for that Rosalie did not give him.

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    2. I agree that romeo was heartbroken and wanted another lover as soon as possible, so he was just trying to find someone random that had decent looks.

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  17. In my opinion, Romeo and Juliet did not fall in love at first sight and it was just infatuation. I do agree with the Friar when he says “Young men’s love then lies not truly in their hearts but in their eyes?”, but not all men love someone based on looks. Love at first sight is not really possible because a person can't genuinely be in love with someone they don't know. I think a big part of love is knowing and caring about them.

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  18. I don't think it is possible to fall in love at first sight with a partner, or even a good friend. But I do believe that love at first sight is possible if it is unconditional, like a mother and a baby. I think that when you first meet someone, and you think you love them, it might just be lust, or you might just have a natural connection-but you don't really have "love". When you love someone, you have to get to know them, to understand what their values are, and how they react to different situations- you may be in love with the way they look, or what they are acting like at the moment, but it is not true love.

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    1. I agree with you. I think it is important to know that when you love someone, you understand their values, and them as a person. I think that the mother and baby example is very true. There are just times where you know you're going to love them just by looking at them.

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    2. I agree I think love at first sight is a fairy tale but maybe love in first conversation or something is real because you really have to know someone before you love them. Love is caring for someone for the person that they are and not how they look. I also think that Romeo and Juliet were new to love and Romeo wasn't sure how to appreciate things other than looks and Juliet was excited that hot Zach Efron cared about her and liked him back and they thought that it was true and never ending love when really it wasn't

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  19. In my opinion, the words "love at first sight" is just something people use in books and movies. You can't fall in love with someone based on their looks, and not know a single thing about them, it just means you find them attractive. Love isn't something you feel right away for someone. It slowly begins to build as you spend time with that person and learn about them as a person.

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    1. i completely agree with you, as it is more of a pop culture term more than anything.

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  20. I think you have a good point in saying that authors put it into their own stories to make it more dramatic or make readers want to read it but I also think that it is just a mind game, because your mind is just giving you a story/look of what things could be like its like a dream nothing more. And some people can see how it is like and dream and not reality but some can't so I think people need to face it and know the difference that your mind is playing a trick on you because it doesn't work the way you want it too. And sooner or later you will end up getting crushed because of it.

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  21. I also agree, love at first sight is more of an author's decision to get viewers attention, and we can see how it's a pattern in fairy tales as many stories talk about love at first sight, which has created a expectation for many people, thinking that they are going to fall in love instantly, which isn't usually the case. True love is more gradual and grows with time, and the more time you spend with the other person, and it never really goes away. That might've been the case with Romeo and Juliet but we'll never really get to know what would've happened if they hadn't both died

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  22. I think that overall, love at first sight is an expectation put into our minds our whole lives, but doesn't truly exist. True love is meeting somebody and slowly falling in love with everything about them not just falling in love with their looks instantly. True love is gradual and lasts almost forever. Whereas love at first sight, is more about the looks of someone else, not everything about them that makes them truly themselves

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    1. I agree with your opinion. As we've grown up we have had "love at first sight" put into our minds in movies and books. It only puts false ideas in our minds that we could actually fall in love with someone at first sight.

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    2. I agree, as you cant just fall in love with someone as you need to spend time

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  23. I believe love at first sight isn't true love. To actually love someone, you need to understand who they are. You need to know their strengths and weaknesses, their blessings and flaws, and still love them. Beauty doesn't matter at all. Love is blind. Romeo didn't love her, he loved her body. The friar was right in saying Romeo didn't truly love Juliet.

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  24. Some people hide who they really are, so first impressions don't really say what a person is like. There is no way to truly know who someone is unless you spend more time with them. A brief conversation doesn't tell you who they are or whether or not that person is right for you.

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    1. Yes, I agree with you. you can't fall in love with someone off their looks. You have to truly spend time with them and in time, you begin to develop love for them.

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    2. All of you are correct. I believe spending time with a person is important in getting to know them better and then loving them. First impressions is where I may disagree a little though. Why yes, there is no true love in a first impression with someone, that is an attraction, but first impressions do tell you a little about the politeness of the person. I guarantee you Romeo does not "fall in love" with Juliet if she responds to him like "get away from me you mean old boy. You are as ugly as a fish." I agree with the Friar and that first sight isn't true love but a first impression is important.

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    3. I think you are right people can hide who they truly are. I also agree that you need to spend time with people to truly know them. They might be super nice and you have nothing in common or you are both really nice and neither one wants to take charge when something needs to be done. You can't know everything about someone within talking to them for 5 minuets let alone looking at them for 5 seconds.

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    4. I agree with you people can lie about who they truly are or act like something there not. This is why you need to get to know them and talk to them not just base it off of looks or one conversation

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    5. I agree. It can take time to really get to know someone and have the reveal their true colors. When you first meet someone, you aren't really getting to know them, but rather just a fraction of who they really are.

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  25. I also think that Romeo was at a very valuable state because of Rosalie witch meant he should not have pursued Juliet because he was not in the state of mind. Romeo is kind of like a toddler in a sense when something new and shiny comes along he wants it.

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    1. yes, Romeo only looks for instant gratification. Rosaline wouldn't give him what he wanted right away because she knew he wasn't actually in love with her and was being a pest. Juliet was charmed by his poetry and looks and disregarded all common sense, falling for him. it couldn't be true love if all he was looking for was attention. Juliet was just the unlucky one caught under his spell, and rebelling against her parents.

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    2. I agree, I think that Romeo acting out of this emotional state led him to believe that it was love at first sight when in reality he was really just looking for any girl, and Juliet happened to be there.

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  26. I agree that love at first sight is an author's tactic. I think that you can be attracted to someone just by looking at them but I don't think that you can truly love someone without getting to know them at first.

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  27. Romeo and Juliet's true love is just infatuation. There is no such thing as love at first sight but there is such thing as attraction at first sight. The Friar is correct because Romeo liked her looks but not necessarily her personality. You cannot love someone you do not know or have not met because the definition of love is "an intense feeling of affection" and you cannot be affectionate towards a person you do not know since they could say something that makes you feel weird or bad about yourself.

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  28. I think that Romeo's love is about looks and beauty and Juliet loves Romeo for his charm, his words, his good pick up lines and his looks cause i mean like come on who wouldn't want to hang out with Zach Efron.

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  29. I think that the love between romeo and juliet is nothing but looks and money.

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  30. I do agree with friar that love only lies in the eyes, as romeo and Juliet don't even know each other and it is "true love"

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  31. I agree, there is no way they fell in love that fast.

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  32. Agreed, why would anyone fall in love that fast

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  33. I do not believe that what they have is true love, I just think both of them were craving for affection for someone, they are both attracted to each other not in love with one another and as teens we tend to confuse physical attraction with love by one kiss when most of the time we only know their name.

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  34. I think that love at first sight is not real, because I think that love is not so shallow that it's solely dependent on exterior appearances. It's one thing to be attracted to how someone looks, but it is another completely to be truly in love with someone. I think in order to be in love with someone you have to be able to fully accept them for who they are, but at this point in the story Romeo and Juliet didn't even know each other's last names. I actually think it is possible that Romeo and Juliet were never truly in love with each other, and that it was pure obsession, as they never really reveal their true personalities to each other and focus more on the physical aspect of their relationship.

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